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#21 · (Edited)
S I Wagon BB said:
Bummer that you're having these issues. However, my aftermarket brake controller was pretty much plug & play and works great w/o any additional software from the dealer.

I believe that the software from the dealer allows the vehicle to accept the OEM brake controller and integrates the OEM controller with the vehicle's software - including additional pages on the dash & possibly the infotainment screen. After-market controllers will not integrate with the vehicle software even if the additional software is installed. I went through this on my previous vehicle - a 2018 RAM 1500.
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hi,

I also have the connector under the dash with the small plastic “male” part that unclips. Did you reuse that or buy an adapter to fit? I don’t get the point of the little plastic bit that seems like it should have factory female spade connectors but doesn’t. Any hints? Thank you!!
 
#22 ·
Teg said:
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hi,

I also have the connector under the dash with the small plastic “male” part that unclips. Did you reuse that or buy an adapter to fit? I don’t get the point of the little plastic bit that seems like it should have factory female spade connectors but doesn’t. Any hints? Thank you!!
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Etrailer sells an adapter. Its included w/ the brake controller I purchased. Here is the link:

 
#25 ·
JR_Wagoneer said:
Yes, thanks but how do I identify that on a vehicle on a dealers lot? I have looked at several and none say tow pkg on the window sticker. The salesman says "oh yeh, its got a tow pkg" see this hitch & plug.
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Window Sticker will indicate if the vehicle has the tow package. All Wagoneers have the hitch and plug. Get a different salesman, his comment was pure BS.
 
#26 ·
I have a Series II without the factory tow package. According to the owner's manual, without the tow package, the towing capacities are 7,500 lbs and 750 lbs maximum tongue weight (of course this is for properly equipped trailers that have brakes and are properly hitched). I use the Curt Bluetooth controller with a spare iphone that only has the Curt app on it.

https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Br...hDuARIsAKZlijSnzhab3DFs5RwvoYQbGvfzsvaG1oju3FKuexVvjnda14SgIPxu1YAaAmakEALw_wcB

I've had no trouble at all with this brake controller and it works great. Brakes on the trailer work exactly as they should.
 
#27 ·
joemanatl said:
I have a Series II without the factory tow package. According to the owner's manual, without the tow package, the towing capacities are 7,500 lbs and 750 lbs maximum tongue weight (of course this is for properly equipped trailers that have brakes and are properly hitched). I use the Curt Bluetooth controller with a spare iphone that only has the Curt app on it. https://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Br...hDuARIsAKZlijSnzhab3DFs5RwvoYQbGvfzsvaG1oju3FKuexVvjnda14SgIPxu1YAaAmakEALw_wcB I've had no trouble at all with this brake controller and it works great. Brakes on the trailer work exactly as they should.
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Do you have to keep the app up on your phone screen the entire time you are towing?
 
#28 ·
bselltiz said:
Do you have to keep the app up on your phone screen the entire time you are towing?
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Yes, on a spare phone that I mount in a cupholder. Other than setting up the initial gain, the app can be used to apply the trailer brakes by pressing the orange button on the app (button takes up most of the screen on the phone) if your trailer ever started swaying for example. Before I purchased this I was concerned about the possibility of losing the Bluetooth connection and that somehow that would interrupt the brake signal, but that's not how it works. The controller unit at the 7 pin 'remembers' the setting regardless of whether there is an active Bluetooth connection or not. I was skeptical when I first learned about this - but it's a solid solution in my experience.
 
#30 ·
I don't want to hijack this thread or anything but I would be really interested to hear from you boys about your experience with the series 2 and series 3. I was thinking about getting a new 2023 series 2 obsidian with all the goodies but I've read so much about how finicky they are and how many problems they have. I was curious if it was just that forum or if everybody is experiencing this.
 
#31 ·
I love my series 2 and so happy I bought it. I have a series 2 with premium group. I've owned it for a year and have about 13K miles on it. Everyone that gets in the vehicle exclaims how luxurious it is. I have the light grey seats with the grey exterior. The fit and finish are superb and it is incredibly quiet. I shopped all the full sized SUV's from GM, Ford, Audi and Land Rover. Nobody could touch the value overall. The quality of the interior is as good or better in my opinion as the 100K plus models from Lexus, Audi or Land Rover. From a mechanical/electronic standpoint - I was happy to get the 2022 5.7 Hemi with eTorque. The 2023's are turbocharged. I think there may still be 22's available with the naturally aspirated engine. I've seen the complaints about RAM 5.7's having electronic problems. Mine has been rock solid and I've had no problems. I only have one nagging issue which is that my FCW system doesn't seem to be working. I'll be working with my dealer to get this addressed. The adaptive cruise control works great and so does the rear collision with braking - but FCW itself does not seem to be working..

I get about 18 MPG, so I think the cost of ownership so far has been very reasonable - especially considering the ridiculous markups on GM products and the fact that Ford and GM's MSRP's have gone bonkers. I also like the 10K oil change interval, and the fact that i got 5 oil changes and tire rotations included with the purchase. When I bought the Wagoneer, right at the start of the fuel price hikes, Jeep was really trying to move these and I got about $8.5K off MSRP (real MSRP - no markup). The dealer had about 10 of them on the lot and they were not moving. All this to say - that not only do I love the product itself but I think that the value in the full size segment is unparalleled. We have a big family and we love to camp - so the size is perfect for our purposes.
 
#33 ·
bselltiz said:
I don't want to hijack this thread or anything but I would be really interested to hear from you boys about your experience with the series 2 and series 3. I was thinking about getting a new 2023 series 2 obsidian with all the goodies but I've read so much about how finicky they are and how many problems they have. I was curious if it was just that forum or if everybody is experiencing this.
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I don't want to hijack your question, but I'm going to agree with the other commentator that bang for the buck, the wagoneer is supreme. Luxury in the base package.

However, for me, the series 1 is the way to go. I got it with the premium and convenience packages (I now regret not getting the max tow as well as I didn't realize until yesterday that mine can't tow 10k, only 7k (not that I currently have a trailer, so it's not the end of the world, but...)). I feel like a series 1 with those two packages is way better than a series 2 base, and it's still cheaper. Now if you want to get additional features on the premium and convenience packages for series 2 or 3, then those are for you, but you're going to be paying 8k+ more for a couple more features.

Anyway, my unsolicited two cents.
 
#34 ·
Teg said:
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hi,

I also have the connector under the dash with the small plastic “male” part that unclips. Did you reuse that or buy an adapter to fit? I don’t get the point of the little plastic bit that seems like it should have factory female spade connectors but doesn’t. Any hints? Thank you!!
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Did you ever "reuse" the clip? I can't get the official Tekonsha adapter in time so I'm wondering if I can wire to this clip that came with it.
 
#35 ·
An S3 owner here that presumed there was an integrated brake controller until I read this thread.

Checked the window sticker. Yup! “Brake Wiring Harness” standard equipment as part of the Series III trim line.

No brake controller.

It hasn’t been bad since my towing has been limited to about 1200-1400 LBS.

But, when my car comes home from the body shop (or needs replacing), the issue will be dealt with firmly!
 
#39 ·
Just to shed some light and reopen this thread, I own a S3 wagoneer with no brake controller and I wanted the OEM look. I found out that I had to buy a new bezel and also the brake controller kit then get it activated from the dealer to work. Apx 600plus all together.

I called a local parts rep that went out of her way to contact mopar and jeep. According to her she was able to reach a tech that help build the wagoneer and said my specific S3 even though it didnt have a brake controller it can still control the trailer brakes automatically when you hook up the trailer. I read the drivers manuel and it did stat something about controlling electric drum brakes or something.

We bought a trailer from Camping World and they wont let us take the trailer without a brake controller. I had them talk to my local parts dealer to explain my wagoneer all ready can control the trailer brakes without the brake controller. Only downfall is I cant adjust the brakes.

I would like to know if this is actually true and if anyone else heard about this? Also if it does work how can I tell if the trailer brakes are engaging?
 
#40 ·
Just plugging the trailer into the 7 pin plug will not apply the brakes on the trailer.
I ordered the OEM brake controller and it would’ve been north of $600 until it was installed.
here are pictures of the kit, the black box is the controller, the switch with the + and - only allow you to adjust the voltage applied to the brakes for the proper trailer load.
I decided not to try it myself because there are too many individual wires that need to be installed into a bus connector under the dash, the wires are labeled though.
The instructions are not included but the provide you with a website to download them which didn’t work for me, it said you needed a dealer number or something like that.
I decided to go with the Prodogy and the wagoneer direct plug n play wire harness for under $200 from etrailer.
 

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