[Baum]

I am currently broken down on side of road waiting for a Tow due to bad thermostat 2.5 miles from dealership. I miss my Hemi 5.7 my 2022 has the Hemi no issues! i have had those engines go 200k miles with no malfunction. I am very upset. FCA knows this is an issue and I just got the seat belt recall and this was not addressed!!!!!!!!

Did yours also do the rpm thing like mine did before it heated up?

 

[gooseslayer]

nope just heats up and as it does Transmission starts to slip. I shut it down immediately and coasted in neutral to a stop

 

[LegalBrief]

Sounds like a really bad day.. sorry at least it will be free and the car won’t have to be cracked in half for a new engine.

 

[Mazmazak]

Perhaps if one brings their own coffee mug to sip a hot beverage from while waiting on the repair and looking over the technician's shoulder as they perform the work to see if they are 'doing it right'...
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As far as "Professional Training on servicing these engines" I can only assume that the support training provided in The Great White North is comparable to what is provided in the United States. To which I would state that there is a big difference between seeing an engine on an engine stand in a class room and perhaps performing some minor component removal or mechanical timing alignment procedures on that same engine that has already been apart a dozen times or more (and most likely 'student-ized') that you can stand next to out in the open and actually working on one in the vehicle.

ok ok dont have to be a upset grease monkey lol.

am trying to understand the problem. like i said many folks that had the problem repaired had other issue popped up as resultant of the service. like coolant leaks and other issues unrelated. I don't know maybe they you guys don’t have written procedures for this service and are doing you own thing. I think recently they added the coolant pump gasket to the list of items needed for service part number is 68361712AB. I think the coolant pump needs to be removed to gain access to the thermostat housing and the mechanics didn’t replaced the one time use gasket and reused it.

as the techs start to do the service on the fly (without the clear written procedures) they may find that other issues pop up. its not like i am saying that you guys are not smart or have experience. its just at your trying to solve a problem that the solution hasnt been very well defined. I am sure there is many ways to get the part out. If i can understand the problem maybe I can point the tech to resources that they may not be aware of. what is wrong with that? am i stroking your ego by doing my own research to understand the problem? Saaary

 

[LegalBrief]

Part is bad fly designed…. Welcome to to the hate part of the relationship… saving grace us it’s under warranty

real problem industry wide us not enough technicans. Then FCA pays poorly so the technician is just ok, not an over trained star like at MBZ.
The technician goal is to do the procedure in less time then the time allowed so they may make more.

This is an inherent misalignment of goals, and 100% explains why things to get a broader look.

 

[john928]

Anyone been able to have their’s replaced or at least have there dealer place an order based on the known 26b notification going out to some people
? Mine says there is nothing under my vin and will have to wait until FCA puts it in the system and send the letter.

 

[victorialynn]

Anyone been able to have their’s replaced or at least have there dealer place an order based on the known 26b notification going out to some people
? Mine says there is nothing under my vin and will have to wait until FCA puts it in the system and send the letter.

I’ve read there is a shortage of parts so they are only doing it when they break down?

 

[22DragnWagn]

Anyone been able to have their’s replaced or at least have there dealer place an order based on the known 26b notification going out to some people
? Mine says there is nothing under my vin and will have to wait until FCA puts it in the system and send the letter.

It seems only one person has reported receiving Customer Notification 26b. Are there others? The problem doesn't appear to be widespread. I am saying this because if the thermostats were failing at a higher rate, this and the other forum would be flooded with irate Wagoner owners. As an owner of two Wagoneers, this sucks and I look forward to a definitive way-forward/resolution.

 

[22DragnWagn]

I am sure Stellantis would rather replace the thermostat than an entire engine, which is the risk they take every day this matter goes unaddressed. I don't give two sh*ts about the engine blowing up if I need to safely get from the middle of the highway to the shoulder.

 

[GW3L]

Just wondering how many others here experience a mechanical break down due to engine over heating? On Saturday 2023 GW S3, which has been flawless, broke down because of a stuck thermostat. I have been told that these thermostats are on backorder with about a 45+ days wait, but still no hard ETA. They are telling me that this is popping up as a national issue.
Anyways, very disappointing, but I am in a loaner Wagoneer provided by the dealership.

Anyone else hear about this or experience it?

Did you get it fixed? Mine overheated yesterday. Gw 3 L.

 

[john928]

It seems only one person has reported receiving Customer Notification 26b. Are there others? The problem doesn't appear to be widespread. I am saying this because if the thermostats were failing at a higher rate, this and the other forum would be flooded with irate Wagoner owners. As an owner of two Wagoneers, this sucks and I look forward to a definitive way-forward/resolution.

I’m sure this has occurred to a frequency big enough for them to issued the 26b. The question is when will they roll out the recall to all owners. I’m betting they are waiting for a large enough supply of parts.
It just concerning that we now know about the issue and wonder if it’s going to happen when driving on a trip, especially for vacation.

 

[22DragnWagn]

Did you get it fixed? Mine overheated yesterday. Gw 3 L.

How many miles?

 

[22DragnWagn]

I’m sure this has occurred to a frequency big enough for them to issued the 26b. The question is when will they roll out the recall to all owners. I’m betting they are waiting for a large enough supply of parts.
It just concerning that we now know about the issue and wonder if it’s going to happen when driving on a trip, especially for vacation.

"......we now know about the issue and wonder if it’s going to happen when driving on a trip, especially for vacation."

100% Agree!

 

[john928]

Hopefully all the other technologies they employed hold up better than the thermostat!

Stellantis Propulsion System engineers employed a suite of state-of-the-art technologies for the Hurricane twin-turbo to deliver reduced emissions and attain big-engine power:

• Two low-inertia, high-flow turbochargers, each feeding three cylinders, for rapid response to throttle inputs
• Plasma Transfer Wire Arc (PTWA) coating in the cylinder bores for an ultra-thin, low-friction wear surface
• High-pressure (5,075 psi/350 bar) direct fuel injection with pumps (single for SO/dual for HO) actuated by a dedicated chain-driven shaft
• Dual overhead camshafts with wide-range, fully independent variable valve timing
• Fuel-saving engine start-stop (ESS) function with robust starter motor for quick restarts
• Engine-mounted water-to-air charge cooler with a dedicated cooling circuit (single inlet for SO/dual inlet for HO)
• Dual water-cooled exhaust manifolds integrated in the cylinder head
• Continuously variable displacement oil pump with integrated scavenge stage tailors pump output to engine demand, reducing frictional losses and helping save fuel
• High-flow ball-valve thermostat minimizes restriction in the cooling system, reducing mechanical losses

 

[GW3L]

How many miles?

16,900

 

[22DragnWagn]

Hopefully all the other technologies they employed hold up better than the thermostat!

Stellantis Propulsion System engineers employed a suite of state-of-the-art technologies for the Hurricane twin-turbo to deliver reduced emissions and attain big-engine power:

• Two low-inertia, high-flow turbochargers, each feeding three cylinders, for rapid response to throttle inputs
• Plasma Transfer Wire Arc (PTWA) coating in the cylinder bores for an ultra-thin, low-friction wear surface
• High-pressure (5,075 psi/350 bar) direct fuel injection with pumps (single for SO/dual for HO) actuated by a dedicated chain-driven shaft
• Dual overhead camshafts with wide-range, fully independent variable valve timing
• Fuel-saving engine start-stop (ESS) function with robust starter motor for quick restarts
• Engine-mounted water-to-air charge cooler with a dedicated cooling circuit (single inlet for SO/dual inlet for HO)
• Dual water-cooled exhaust manifolds integrated in the cylinder head
• Continuously variable displacement oil pump with integrated scavenge stage tailors pump output to engine demand, reducing frictional losses and helping save fuel
• High-flow ball-valve thermostat minimizes restriction in the cooling system, reducing mechanical losses

"High-flow ball-valve thermostat minimizes restriction in the cooling system, reducing mechanical losses"

We see how that worked out.

 

[LegalBrief]

Thing is… some of us are running out or near end of warranty, especially on lower grade cars…

Way to make this right and increase our horrific resale values is to double the warranty, and make it limited on certain parts like the thermostat to the original owner. I guarantee as soon as the warranty is up they stop working on the defects and bugs, and we will be even worse off.

right now on a 2022 we all exposed to a 50% beat down, it’s not even two years old and 50%, by the third year we are looking 30-35%, only lucky people are those who leased which are few and far between (less then 30% of us leased). They sell in the used car market because they are priced so cheap, and the buyers don’t seem to know and are relaying on Carfax which isn’t showing anything (Carfax lies and omits, shows my tire rotation but not my new transmission-wtf)

Super sad and scary how screwed we all are.

 

[john928]

Thing is… some of us are running out or near end of warranty, especially on lower grade cars…

Way to make this right and increase our horrific resale values is to double the warranty, and make it limited on certain parts like the thermostat to the original owner. I guarantee as soon as the warranty is up they stop working on the defects and bugs, and we will be even worse off.

right now on a 2022 we all exposed to a 50% beat down, it’s not even two years old and 50%, by the third year we are looking 30-35%, only lucky people are those who leased which are few and far between (less then 30% of us leased). They sell in the used car market because they are priced so cheap, and the buyers don’t seem to know and are relaying on Carfax which isn’t showing anything (Carfax lies and omits, shows my tire rotation but not my new transmission-wtf)

Super sad and scary how screwed we all are.

Agree. Also, this is the first car I have ever bought an extended warranty on. Might be the best $$ I've ever spent on an add on to my purchase.

 

[22DragnWagn]

Thing is… some of us are running out or near end of warranty, especially on lower grade cars…

Way to make this right and increase our horrific resale values is to double the warranty, and make it limited on certain parts like the thermostat to the original owner. I guarantee as soon as the warranty is up they stop working on the defects and bugs, and we will be even worse off.

right now on a 2022 we all exposed to a 50% beat down, it’s not even two years old and 50%, by the third year we are looking 30-35%, only lucky people are those who leased which are few and far between (less then 30% of us leased). They sell in the used car market because they are priced so cheap, and the buyers don’t seem to know and are relaying on Carfax which isn’t showing anything (Carfax lies and omits, shows my tire rotation but not my new transmission-wtf)

Super sad and scary how screwed we all are.

I agree on all points, except resale value. We are no more screwed than any German or Land Rover car buyer. All things considered, I'd still take my GW III Obsidian over anything out there, flaws and all. Perhaps, I am being too lenient on Stellantis. If I was given an opportunity to get out of my vehicle free and clear, what else is out there? Range Rover, too uptight. Escalade and Navigator, too ostentatious. BMW X7, I LOVE IT but too small.

(Carfax lies and omits, shows my tire rotation but not my new transmission-wtf) - AGREED!

 

[LegalBrief]

I agree on all points, except resale value. We are no more screwed than any German or Land Rover car buyer. All things considered, I'd still take my GW III Obsidian over anything out there, flaws and all. Perhaps, I am being too lenient on Stellantis. If I was given an opportunity to get out of my vehicle free and clear, what else is out there? Range Rover, too uptight. Escalade and Navigator, too ostentatious. BMW X7, I LOVE IT but too small.

(Carfax lies and omits, shows my tire rotation but not my new transmission-wtf) - AGREED!

I think the Navigator, Black Label has a massive warranty, all about customer service, and for the most part a few issues.
I like the look of the 25 Infinity, zero idea if it’s going to be a decent car.

I get we take a hit as soon as we buy but a slaughter is not acceptable.