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#21 ·
mike2608 said:
I traded in a 2016 Wrangler for the 2022 WS3. I can definitely attest that the Wagoneer (bigger engine and almost double the weight) gets BETTER milage! Both on the highway and in town. I’ll put it down to aerodynamics. The wrangler has none, compared to the wagoneer’s rounded off 2.5 stacked bricks😂
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Does your 2022 WS3 have the standard output straight 6 Hurricane? Or the 5.7 Hemi.... Im just trying to get some REAL world comparison in those 2 engines. As it stands now. If I only choose the very base model Wagoneer. It gives me the option for both engines. Im needing to stick with the base models to be able to NOT get the factory Air Suspension on it. Because Im wanting to put a lift Kit on it. And just as in the Grand Cherokees. You cant lift them if they have factory Air Ride/Suspensions. Or should I say. No reputable companys make a lift for those with OEM/Factory Air Lifts/ride on them. Thanks
 
#22 ·
Hydro392 said:
Does your 2022 WS3 have the standard output straight 6 Hurricane? Or the 5.7 Hemi.... Im just trying to get some REAL world comparison in those 2 engines. As it stands now. If I only choose the very base model Wagoneer. It gives me the option for both engines. Im needing to stick with the base models to be able to NOT get the factory Air Suspension on it. Because Im wanting to put a lift Kit on it. And just as in the Grand Cherokees. You cant lift them if they have factory Air Ride/Suspensions. Or should I say. No reputable companys make a lift for those with OEM/Factory Air Lifts/ride on them. Thanks
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First off, there is NO engine choice in the Wagoneer. The Grand Wagoneer offers the 6.2 Hemi.

For the 2022 model year, the 5.7L Hemi
was standard in the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. For 2023, the 3.0L twin turbo is the standard engine.

I bought a 2022 Wagoneer Series III in August of ‘22. It was destroyed by an impatient jerk in a BMW in May of ‘23 (under 16,000 miles). I bought an near exact replacement 2023 WS3 in June.

So, I am comparing the 5.7 to the 3.0 in near identical cars. Only differences are the engine, exterior color and the mix of standard vs. options (the net result is identical). They even weigh within 30 lbs of each other.

As mentioned, both engines are more than adequate to get 6,000 lbs of full-size SUV up to highway speed (and beyond) without difficulty.

I’ve found the 3.0 ‘too eager’. Some would call it ‘excellent throttle response’. My 5.7 exhaust note was lower and seemed to come from amidship. The 3.0 has a sharper tailpipe note.

Since my ‘23 hasn’t spent more that 1 hour at a time on an interstate, I can’t attest to peak MPG for the 3.0TT. On the trips between NY and FL the ‘22 5.7 peaked at an average MPG of 24.1.
 
#23 ·
mike2608 said:
First off, there is NO engine choice in the Wagoneer. The Grand Wagoneer offers the 6.2 Hemi.

For the 2022 model year, the 5.7L Hemi
was standard in the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. For 2023, the 3.0L twin turbo is the standard engine.

I bought a 2022 Wagoneer Series III in August of ‘22. It was destroyed by an impatient jerk in a BMW in May of ‘23 (under 16,000 miles). I bought an near exact replacement 2023 WS3 in June.

So, I am comparing the 5.7 to the 3.0 in near identical cars. Only differences are the engine, exterior color and the mix of standard vs. options (the net result is identical). They even weigh within 30 lbs of each other.

As mentioned, both engines are more than adequate to get 6,000 lbs of full-size SUV up to highway speed (and beyond) without difficulty.

I’ve found the 3.0 ‘too eager’. Some would call it ‘excellent throttle response’. My 5.7 exhaust note was lower and seemed to come from amidship. The 3.0 has a sharper tailpipe note.

Since my ‘23 hasn’t spent more that 1 hour at a time on an interstate, I can’t attest to peak MPG for the 3.0TT. On the trips between NY and FL the ‘22 5.7 peaked at an average MPG of 24.1.
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Well, first off there is no 6.2. LOL
 
#24 ·
mike2608 said:
First off, there is NO engine choice in the Wagoneer. The Grand Wagoneer offers the 6.2 Hemi.

For the 2022 model year, the 5.7L Hemi
was standard in the Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer. For 2023, the 3.0L twin turbo is the standard engine.

I bought a 2022 Wagoneer Series III in August of ‘22. It was destroyed by an impatient jerk in a BMW in May of ‘23 (under 16,000 miles). I bought an near exact replacement 2023 WS3 in June.

So, I am comparing the 5.7 to the 3.0 in near identical cars. Only differences are the engine, exterior color and the mix of standard vs. options (the net result is identical). They even weigh within 30 lbs of each other.

As mentioned, both engines are more than adequate to get 6,000 lbs of full-size SUV up to highway speed (and beyond) without difficulty.

I’ve found the 3.0 ‘too eager’. Some would call it ‘excellent throttle response’. My 5.7 exhaust note was lower and seemed to come from amidship. The 3.0 has a sharper tailpipe note.

Since my ‘23 hasn’t spent more that 1 hour at a time on an interstate, I can’t attest to peak MPG for the 3.0TT. On the trips between NY and FL the ‘22 5.7 peaked at an average MPG of 24.1.
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Well, Iv been on JEEP site for days not. Building this model and that model. Going back n forth with ideas, cost, wants vs needs etc. You know how we do! LOL And it DOES IN FACT show the 5.7 & 3.0 Standard output available on the very 1st BASIC "Wagoneer" model you can click on. The Series ll, Carbide, & Series lll does NOT give you an option other than 3.0 Standard Output.
I am a tad leery buying anything in the first generation of production (3.0 Hurricane)
And Very upbeat that your 5.7 did in fact reach into the 23's to 24 mpg on a trip.
May I ask if your is a 4x4? or 4x2?

Also, I did hear rumor that as of May the 5.7 was completely DROPPED from the line. So, it could be exactly as your stating. NO 5.7 and the web site build sheet just has not been updated. If thats the fact. Well I better like the 3.0 haha.
 
#25 ·
“May I ask if your is a 4x4? or 4x2?”

Yes, you can ask😏

4x4!

Why buy 2WD for use in Upstate NY winters? Especially a Jeep brand vehicle👍

Previous car shopping revealed new car dealers in the Northeastern US do not carry (and are reluctant to order) 2WD versions if a 4x4 or AWD version is available.
 
#26 ·
mike2608 said:
“May I ask if your is a 4x4? or 4x2?”

Yes, you can ask😏

4x4!

Why buy 2WD for use in Upstate NY winters? Especially a Jeep brand vehicle👍

Previous car shopping revealed new car dealers in the Northeastern US do not carry (and are reluctant to order) 2WD versions if a 4x4 or AWD version is available.
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I understand completely.. I am the same way. But all people Iv learned dont think like me! I just wanted to make sure with ya. Because 4x2 does in fact get a "tad" better fuel mileage over a 4x4. And I was impressed with your figures.. Iv got 2 emails out not to 2 different JEEP General Managers on verifying the 5.7 has been completely dropped.
Thank you for your help. And when you get some long trip fuel economy numbers on the 3.0. I appreciate the update if you have time.
 
#27 ·
“verifying the 5.7 has been completely dropped. “

You might get lucky a find a 2023 with the 5.7, but that was not my experience when I did a shiptopful of hunting for the replacement WS3.

I expect the 3.0TT will get better highway milage than the 5.7 for me.

A) A normally aspirated engine has to keep the fuel mixture in a very narrow range. Therefore, every mile driven in top gear will always use the same amount of fuel.

B) A turbocharged engine will use more or less fuel per revolution depending on what is being asked of it. Drive a turbo vehicle easy and you will be rewarded with better fuel economy, a carbon-clogged turbine and condensate in the intercooler. So, one has to Thrash-it-like-you-stole-it every few thousand miles😁
 
#28 ·
mike2608 said:
Since my ‘23 hasn’t spent more that 1 hour at a time on an interstate, I can’t attest to peak MPG for the 3.0TT. On the trips between NY and FL the ‘22 5.7 peaked at an average MPG of 24.1.
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I'm curious to see my 3.0 HO hit that 24 MPG number. But I doubt it.
How many people and luggage were you carrying?
We're going with 6 and luggage.
 
#31 ·
ChiefMoe said:
Lol, those 5-7lbs make a difference.
I'm definitely not gonna be anywhere near 24mpg
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The good news is the weight/mass of the vehicle becomes less of an issue when cruising down the highway.

How much air the vehicle displaces over time becomes the most important factor once you get into top gear AND STAY THERE!

Lock the (non adaptive) cruise at 2 over the limit. Don’t tow or use the roof rack. Use A/C at reasonable temperature instead of opening the windows. Let the inpatient jerks pass…

Sit back use 1 hand at a time on the wheel to just stay in lane and enjoy the company of your passengers and the radio😎
 
#32 ·
So, after over 2000 miles driven, at an average speed between 65-70mph, I got as high as 17.5MPG with the Hurricane.
Obviously, I saw my best mileage at 55, but the amount of time spent at that speed was minimal.
 
#33 ·
ChiefMoe said:
So, after over 2000 miles driven, at an average speed between 65-70mph, I got as high as 17.5MPG with the Hurricane.
Obviously, I saw my best mileage at 55, but the amount of time spent at that speed was minimal.
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How much of those 2,000 miles was spent at 1 speed while on the Non-Adaptive cruise?

I’m up to holding to around 19.4 mpg on country roads after peaking at 20.5 on 150 miles of interstates. I use the cruse on the interstates and country roads.

Speeding up and slowing down wastes fuel.

Also check your ride height setting. “Aero Mode” is one notch above “Entry/Exit”
 
#34 ·
mike2608 said:
How much of those 2,000 miles was spent at 1 speed while on the Non-Adaptive cruise?

I’m up to holding to around 19.4 mpg on country roads after peaking at 20.5 on 150 miles of interstates. I use the cruse on the interstates and country roads.

Speeding up and slowing down wastes fuel.

Also check your ride height setting. “Aero Mode” is one notch above “Entry/Exit”
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Barely any time at 1 speed. There were some stretches of highway without traffic that lasted a few minutes.
I probably should have used Non-Adaptive more. I'll try it on the next road trip.
My ride height is always on Aero.
 
#35 ·
ChiefMoe said:
Barely any time at 1 speed. There were some stretches of highway without traffic that lasted a few minutes.
I probably should have used Non-Adaptive more. I'll try it on the next road trip.
My ride height is always on Aero.
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Yeah, when SWMBO gets behind the wheel, I cringe at what she does to my MPG. Total manual operation, speeds up to pass, slows for turns and allows 6-8 mph drifting while just holding lane.

I got spoilt when I was commuting in a VW Jetta stick-shift turbo-diesel. 48 MPG usually. Peaked at 53.

But I wouldn’t wanna try a 2 week road trip of two adults + doggie in that sedan.
 
#36 ·
TennesseeHeadHunter said:
Recently traded our ‘22 in for a ‘23 L and was told by the “Wagoneer specialist” at our local “Wagoneer Certified” dealership that the only difference was the motor and the dimensions.

Turns out, that is not true. I figured I would make a thread to track the differences we end up discovering so others are aware before they make the same decision we did (or are deciding between a 22 and a 23).

2022 does not have auto start/stop - 2023 does (like the Wagoneers) and there is not a way to permanently disable this like on the Cherokee and Wrangler (yet).

Our 2022 had a "premium tint infrared reflective glass (IRR)" on the front windshield, featuring a noticeable cutout to the right of the rearview mirror that required a radar detector to be hung from the passenger visor to function. The 2023 does not show this cutout and it's unclear if the infrared tint is still a standard feature of the 2023 GW or not, but it is still listed in the owners manual.

There is a cargo track system in the rear cargo area with adjustable attachment points.
There is a mute button under the storage compartment beneath the radio.

Any other noteworthy differences users find, feel free to post up and I’ll keep the OP updated.
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Just an fyi, I have all those features in my 22 GWS3 so that’s not accurate.
 
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